I’ve considered the Climb in the past, but since I can move the trainer 6 inches when I try a sprint, just using legs and no upper body, I chose not to topple over and would rather have a front wheel on it. That’s the easiest way to dive into things. $999.00. In my case, I used both TrainerRoad & Zwift as my main testing platforms. I do it because I’m riding XCM and that’s how it feels, but the unit works fine with higher gear ratios. The slip issue has been around since the beginning of time with the Neo. 1) The climb doesn’t work in ERG mode. *shrug*. Which 4? The newest firmware version is 0.0.27 Most people with a trainer use Zwift or TrainerRoad. Pretty annoying! @CowRob – The 2T works, but I am not sure at which degree of accuracy. And by loose, I mean that I can rotate the individual cogs in opposite directions from each other, maybe as much as five degrees? Zwift actually demands the cadence be below a certain high set point. Sometimes high, sometimes low. So, they’re waiting for their shipment of 2T’s. I have to be honest I’m not super wrapped up in the over/under wattage issues reported. The only issues I’ve heard about, pre-virus, was the shortage of the 2T flywheel puller, and an occasional issue with detritus getting into the magnets, and a few people with bearing issues. You should ask Ray for advice on how to pursue this. Fingers crossed that it will not take so long for you until you get the replacement. Now it appears to be stuck that way no matter what I do, and is effectively a paperweight. I guess this might make the difference. Since you have a Kickr 1, does the Fitness App work for you now? I have complete faith in Tacx even with the Garmin acquisition and don’t see them ceding territory in the indoor trainer market any time soon. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! …. I don’t usually change gears in rides. Shifting your weight to back of the saddle changes how you pedal up hill. For the Climb, a number of people had the belt break/snap, and it stops working. The 2T has no real leveling method. Thanks in advance. Your email address will not be published. I see others riding in TBR and the gaps between demand and performance, and remember not seeing that on the H2, but it is a way to work harder I suppose. I was bummed by the Peloton bike, finding out that the ‘power’ they claim is estimated/calculated. Both the XT and Eagle cassette will not tighten fully on the Tacx unless I use the 1mm spacer. It always seems to be reading much higher than my power meter but improves as my Kickr warms up. I.E. I actually hear the squeaking of the SpeedPlay pedal cleats too. I’ve never seen this sort of thing before. Hit it up for all the details after months of testing! Here is the area that had the plastic piece popped up. I’ve only used it with Zwift. This is what I don’t get. Be safe, and thanks for all you do. Ray, just curious whether the source for this information was publicly released information or just your privileged back-and-forth with Wahoo? Yeah, what is ‘accuracy’, and is it ‘accurate’. Well, there’s still time till Eurobike. It didn’t appear to help. But the NEO 2T delivers that in about 1-1.5 seconds. Then the ride was odd. Thanks, Tofel. I don’t know if Android is any better. Thank you for your comment. I have had a problem with my back, on the right side. ERG mode is the only reason I was retarded enough to purchase the Neo2T, and unfortunately this trainer fails to deliver to the expectations. I ditched my Tacx Neo to use the Wahoo Climb. I seem to remember that happened to Wahoo when they released the cadence update recently. E.g. And in this case what matters most is magnets. It does this through a combination of stronger magnets and tweaks to the magnet … To be honest, I’m not surprised the data is skewed. I’ve never ridden a Tacx–assuming they get the issues with the Neo 2T worked out, is it really worth the premium over the H3? etc. Tacx offers a special Assembly kit with spacers. I’m just looking forward to seeing a few percent boost to my FTP once I update the firmware . If anyone walked up to me in a bar and said: Hey, I’ve got a Stages left-only unit and a Tacx NEO unit and they disagree, which one is right? Also did look at their videos and FAQ. Maybe iFixit can get into doing videos of self-repair for bike trainers and sell some tools, like the 2T puller. What is going on with this bloody thing?! Maybe I’ll do so with some workouts this week and see how things have improved in the last few months. You can click here to Subscribe without commenting. I want to train hill climbing, and my current trainer just doesn’t feel realistic especially when it is trying to simulate anything more than 5% climb. Power from ANT+ no longer works as well. I saw GPLama reporting the same power reading issues, I want to upgrade from my Neo 1, think I will wait until the firmware is sorted and the power readings are good. I was consistently getting the Tacx NEO 2T underreporting power by about 4-6% – which is way too much, even despite the drive chain loses. You do everyone a favor by being neutral, and through. The 2T is holding me to the set point. Seriously! This has been interesting… The assumptions and method of handling the same task/process. The Roubaix I had fits with a scant thin amount of clearance, but it fit. It did not diverge as much as the Kickr 1. plug it in) the red light glows as it should. No idea how. The piece that I called the fourth spacer or washer is the one labeled T2844-15. Certainly, the most economical solution is to keep things as they are, but we all know how it goes. But when I tried to order the H3, REI said they were out of stock, but they were actually, reportedly, in trouble with Garmin/Tacx, and Saris for selling their units at a discount. I dropped his name. The flex was a big selling point, and even though it is only a few degrees side to side it makes for a much more comfortable trainer session. Data is correct, but it got offset a bit. Mine just works out of the box (except the known minor wattage issues mentioned earlier in the thread). I’m sure the sentiment will change rapidly when the cycling dynamics you mention start to become useful. I’ve got a SRAM PG-1170 cassette on (since that’s what I use on my bike) and even though the lockring is tight the different cogs on the cassette aren’t. Would love to get one of these, but I ride quick release bikes while my wife rides a thru axle bike. Resistance changes are relatively instantaneous. I noticed that the H2 has a 20lb flywheel. *sigh*, Again, the H2 seemed so much better executed for the new user. I’ve had that experience years ago. I’m planning to buy 2T and subscribe to TR and until recently wasn’t aware about this feature so I was searching for the “perfect wattage” trainer. Unsupported Browser Detected – For best results, please update your browser. I'm loving it! Sounds also like these 2 issues could be related as soldering debris could cause the overheating … Anyway i think it’s really annoying that it takes tacx this long to fix this issues and that they do not communicate it more openly! (I mean according to the specs, the motor doesn’t seem to be that much stronger?). I’m not usually an ‘early adopter’ so this is a punt for me. Most 11 speed MTB cassettes are designed around the 10 speed hub body and would specifically call for that, and would need the hub spindle spacers to push out the entire assembly in addition to a 1.85mm cassette spacer. Nice…. what’s displayed on the screen, can be 3s averaged, etc., but the .fit file data won’t be. The Neo 2T & Saris H3 are on my short list for a new trainer. It’s not worlds, but you will notice it. Full Range of Tacx Turbo Trainers & Accessories at Chain Reaction Cycles. Alternatively, for everything else on the planet, simply buy your goods from Amazon via the link below and I get a tiny bit back as an Amazon Associate. I actually think that with 0.0.31 it over-reports power now compared to Garmin Vector 3 pedals. My solution world really well. I’ll survive. Again, probably not. I agree 100% on the warmup-spin-calibrate thing. I’m disappointed in the ‘quality’ of the Neo 2T, in regards to the ‘accuracy’. The H2 was capped at 10% I think? Wahoo did just buy Sufferfest – which makes me wonder what is in store for integration between the two. A quieter trainer would be nice but would I get more from such an upgrade? I also have a Peloton, and many times wished it was able to ‘enforce’ the power demands. Futzing with spacers, and re-indexing because of a compatibility just sucks. My Neo 2 did the same thing but would quickly stop spinning after. Written words can come across that way when trying to keep things short. I never futz around, and I don’t think the MTB adder to Zwift will be the least bit interesting to me. I had one of the first Kickrs and it was bombproof. But we’re talking super-small amounts of difference here, and I’m not sure if I were to scientifically test it with say a dozen cassettes of either type that I’d find the evidence supports my gut feeling. Cadence and speed track each other if you stay in the same gear throughout a workout. So currently considering if I should sent the neo 2 that I ordered and if it’s worth the wait. The firmware isn’t quite out yet to fix the issue. The problem of power underestimated is it corrected with the latest firmware? I assumed it was a multi-minute interval, and was average 143w over that period. That can also be accomplished by putting blocks under the front wheel. This is a picture off my first ride with 0.0.31 software. I’ve tried to talk people out of getting the 2T, or to at least wait until more things are fixed. *shrug*, In some ways I feel the H2 spoiled me. I have mostly been using TrainerRoad. 1) The hub is perfect. Who knows how large an inventory they have to cycle through. Mainly used Zwift for the trainings so far. Tacx, I have no idea about. (ie, for a given slope/grade one always seems to output more power outside compared to inside on the dumb trainer). Only small problem is that disc callipers slightly touch the Neo2T when bouncing, but I contacted Garmin/Tacx and they will send me a small spacer to correct that. I’d hope that they will send you a new one as soon as your old one is on it’s way back…let’s see how this plays out. I’ve done spindown multiple times, and the spindown is highly inconsistent. But I’m pretty sure it was 27 (or .27, whatever their versioning number convention is). This is really great. For mine, I believe the fan was the issue. I do have a Kickr, but it’s a V1 (circa 2014). For those not familiar with the Tacx lineup, the Neo series is their top of the line trainer. I have read the reviews of Kickr Core and NE2t extensively. I expected better, like an accurate manual. Regarding your concern about power accuracy, I haven’t had any issues with it. It’s just something that happens. When I use the 1mm spacer the Eagle 11t cog to outer edge of the axle is 6.65mm. It didn’t fix the ERG mode issues, so still waiting… Still riding…. Maybe I ride too hard? At the current date they updated only for Garmin devices … secondly, do you know if they want to add new firmware for Bluetooth in order to permit that two devices that use BLE could be connected (for example record data in Polar and Tacx software? Is it common to have the frame crack? The app doesn’t seem to care. I have not updated the Wahoo Fitness app on my iPhone and tried it with the Kickr yet. The demand was 135W, and I was riding 143W average. It works when first plugged in but doesn’t stay on or come on when the trainer heats up. Both with a lot of testing. Also note, I use a riser block with *every* trainer. Zwift: link to analyze.dcrainmaker.com. Most noticeable at low wattages. I looked through my old rides with the H2, and there is only one ride that has the over power. Seriously. Again, something, in my limited experience, I didn’t experience prior to the 2T. This happens more frequently than people admit to. The vast majority of the changes to the Tacx NEO 2T are internal, not external. Although I’m still reliving my ‘don’t use ERG mode for training’ edict so flippantly thrown out. I paid for a trainer, to be told to not use the main aspect of it in training. link to tacx.com. Apparently I lean more one side than the other? Ok i was going to buy it this week, after reading all these posts i cancel my order ;/ Then they converge about 20 minutes in. I haven’t ridden a Kickr, so I have no real world experience, but the Neo is damned, almost freakishly, quiet. I thought it was cross threaded! Congrats… yours reviews are awesome! Want to compare the features of each product, down to the nitty-gritty? Since it’s about the SRAM PG-1170, it’s an 11 speed road cassette made for an 11 speed HG driver. Aside from the aforementioned racing strip, you’d never notice the difference between them. With the old trainer, the resistance never really let up that much going down a virtual hill. Maybe if I move the whole setup to the podcast recording room with the soundproofing now installed on the walls I’ll be able to hear it. I hear the fans more than the trainer now. It worked. I use Zwift to break the monotony but it’s difficult to match power profiles of outside and inside rides. I completely forgot about that, and that is dead on. Maybe there would be future revisions, I don’t know. They had engineers spending all day, and frankly, all this past weekend on it. They spent a lot of money on shipping. One of the most common install issues is apparently skipping a spacer, or using the wrong thickness spacer. Thanks DC Rainmaker. It can be shimmed, like with magazines, etc), “1) The adjustment of demand is actually 2 seconds before the actual change, riding with TrainerRoad. Yes but not in the USA. (Note: It was overshooting the ERG set point in Sunday’s firmware, that’s supposed to be fixed in today’s firmware.). According to the graphs I posted, I expected the ‘speed’ to be more similar between the two as ERG would keep the power close to the set point. You should check out my videos. My only question is: (i know it’s personal but can’t make my mind) is it worth buying the neo 2t at full price or get the neo 2 at 25% discount? The 2T, aside from the caliper clearance potential, does rock, as I said earlier. Some is bad. Supposedly it DOES coast in ‘sim mode’. – Skewing of Magnets: This reduces vibrations and sounds The flywheel spins if i try to tighten te cassette…. As for flex – one interesting tidbit is that both solutions flex, but in different ways. HaHaHa…. In fact, I think you’re the first person. Any advice gratefully received. Any ideas what is going on here and how to get the speed working correctly? Yes – see my previous post where I compare. Shop for Tacx products and more. About 40 minutes in, they diverge. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. The 2T drives like a fixie spin bike. I need a fix…. DCR stated that a bit time ago. ERG workouts, or Zwift racing. I’ve found the latest update on the Neo2 noticeably coasts more than the earlier firmware versions. Does anyone know of compatibility issues with Oversized PulleyWheels (such as CeramicSpeed) and short cranks (155) with the NEo 2T??? I’m sorry that you didn’t read the numerous parts of this preview/early hands-on post where I outlined all of the ERG mode issues you noted and why I didn’t recommend folks buy the NEO 2T at launch. This will be even shorter than a 10 speed cassette. What is the power doing during intervals using erg mode? The Kickr 2018 didn’t quite match as well. I don’t know for sure, the user base seems to be much smaller than the Wahoo Kickr or the Neo. Thanks, I have looked through the faq, and the unofficial faq site, without any luck. I would believe that the Stages app is showing the ‘output’ as it sees it. They might be stuck with the firmware issues. I bought a Neo2 in november 2019. placed my old bike (quick release) on it and I’m very happy with it. When I’m working on my neuromuscular power I do standing starts kicking up to 1450w and the slip effect is shocking. WAY to soon. So I’m keen to see how that looks. But the data up till 1:30 – check it out – it’s spot on! I got the Neo 1 and a Canyon Aeroad Disc. Like a second or more? Note some trainers do come with them. In fact, one might make the argument that it’s actually too responsive, potentially too fast. Hi, so I’m getting ready to buy a Tacx Neo 2T I think, I’m slightly concerned about the firmware/power discrepancy issues as described above, but I figure these should be resolved soon… In the earlier version I would feel that the slip prevented me from staying up too long off the saddle. Let’s say if I start with 40-50 cadence and apply 4-500w force and keep 5 mins, it will only slip once at beginning or it will keep slip? I’m getting mine on Monday. Use this disc extractor to remove the aluminum disc on the side of theNEO 2TSmart trainer to check the inside for residue and to clean, Brand: Tacx Model: T2875.95 from R749.00. Yeah, my pictures are just above. Yes, thanks, I did see the Tacx diagram, I tried the method on the right, but couldn’t tighten it. If your derailleur is properly indexed, you shouldn’t need to re-index it on the trainer. I got 36.65mm for both the Kickr and the Tacx hubs. It does “seem” a bit more stable. Something which is accurate and precise always gives the same value, which is the correct value. Any improvement to the difference in inertia between ERG and non-ERG modes that is created by the virtual flywheel? If that’s the case (but certainly not saying my choices aren’t good for women), and you just want to see a different gear junkies “picks”, check out The Girl’s 2018 Gear Guide too. I am not a super strong rider and my cadence is pretty slow. With the bad experiences being posted, I was getting concerned. Zwift is the same way. I know I’ve done it when in a rush or not paying attention, and then had to go back and do it again. However drift of those devices is 100% the norm. But thing is, I see 5W error on a 1000W sprint! The Tacx Neo 2 is able to simulate climbs up to 25% and resist sprints up to 2,200 watts. It could be way off the base expected number, but it may be precisely inaccurate in it’s execution. Is it just me or is there a really obvious way to tell the NEO 2T and NEO 2 (and NEO 1) apart: The screws on the case on the NEO 2T seem to be black, silver on the other two models. That said, I only do 2 things on the trainer. I had over 800 mile son it. My overheated in the same way, after about 5 minutes at around 200w. Tacx T4075 Puleys 11 Teeth SRAM Race. Some reviews are over 60 pages long when printed out, with hundreds of photos! In short, it’s going to be nothing like steering on a real bike, and be just as annoying as trying to play some games on a phone. $329.99. Also, I’ve cooked my Neo 2 doing hitting 1300+ w and is now with Tacx for repair/replacement so not all good news. The latest XERT app on iOS only works with it. View Details. Does anyone else know what to do if the outer cogs of the cassette are not tight on the hub spindle? But then I don´t think I have the budget anymore, cause I found the Neo2 like 280 Euro cheaper than the 2t. But if that doesn’t matter to you, buy the N2 instead. I was surprised. Software is great, it’s a nice plug and play experience (OSX, IOS) everything just works out of the box. I’m having hinge parts popping up, and loud squeaking from one hinge in particular. In my experience, the H2 was SOLID! Watch; O M B S F B 3 X 8 F p o n s K o r e d. Tacx Flux 2 Smart Direct Drive Trainer. what’s the scale of your trainerroad snip? Don’t know why there’s so many drop outs on the Tacx data via ANT+. Not sure how big the market is for $10K units here. I could have sworn that on Neo2 the bike is fixed. The bike Does Not Move. 11-speed, 10-speed, 9-speed, etc...). I’d love to see a pic or get a definitive answer on this one. Does anyone experience similar issues?! I started recently riding a few rides in TBR, and yeah, it can hurt more, and the speed seems to be high too. Curious to hear if you had similar problems with the new trainer? Turns out that’s why the cogs turned. I guess that is a good news/bad news situation. It doesn't have smartphone/ANT+/Bluetooth integration, but it does have secondary outlets. So, overall, I’m very pleased with the trainer and hope I get as many years out of it as my old one. I’ll update folks on whether I have any issues with the replacement. The order is: Neo – washers – black thingie – freehub/cassette. They processed a replacement, under warranty. I agree, the motor in the Neo is a gimmick. The Discbrake touch the Body of the Neo. Special tools can be required to service them. I feel that the while the Neo doesn’t seem to need calibration, that’s nice. Your cap was not aligned properly. BTW – Z.E.R.O tireslip on my 10s 1kW intervals. So i´m back I think to choose between NEO2 and Core (maybe with a Climb) ? But I got it sovled and since that, my 2T has been flawless and that is for more than 1100 km of indoor training. TBH, I notice this also with both my KICKR V1, V4, H3, and the 2T. Simulating a 25% grade? Thanks! I think they’re close, as we’ve been chatting about other topics, but nothing yet on this one. I wanted to know if there is an improved feel when you are off the saddle. But I’d first be doing a zero offset of the Stages if you haven’t (aligned properly, with no weight on it)”. I’ve also have had no issues with thruaxle on the 2T. Assioma being always higher as closer to the power input. Experiment!’, which made me feel uncomfortable. If I stop pedaling, I have to fight to get it turning again (death spiral) until it’s up to what is required. The pedaling form, really nice, with that bigger flywheel. New (Other) $80.00. I have seen a tiny bit of over reporting in the low wattage too. The most common question I receive outside of the “what’s the best GPS watch for me” variant, are photography-esq based. There are more than one of us with the cadence trigger issue, mostly soft vs. Hardware but, we’re out here. I found out that the ‘correct way’ to calibrate/offset them is to put the left crank down. I mailed Tacx support, and two days ago they mailed me that the new firmware solved the problem. Is that a purposeful choice because of some other retailer agreements? Just a quick doubt, does TACX NEO2T work for a bike with a long cage? I’d think the 2T will be accompanied by an updated Flux. The trainer this replaced was a Cycleops Powerbeam Pro, which I think was supposed to be accurate within +/- 5%. There’s always someone cooler than you. I’ve got all my gears back! Temperature: 42.36 That could mean one of two (maybe more) things : But, knowing that the Stages meters are notoriously (right?) The speed and cadence should mirror each other as the reported speed is linked directly to cadence and gear ratio. It’s hard to tell if it’s just a cranky reviewer, or a real issue. Big gear, low cadence, is still riding a flat road. Which trainer you use depends heavily on what you’re doing on it. I’m sure if you train in the gearing range you use most outside you’ll get s o me solid results on the 2T. I upgraded to the latest firmware and it didn’t make a difference. The light blue part around the foot on one side is cracked at the point closest to the floor.
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