PS: couldn't add the images so I am linking back to my original article that includes pics: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada usually at CYOW, maybe VWC, https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/my-how-to-airbrush-vallejo-model-air-color-instruc-t516417.html. Does anybody have any suggestions? This means that there is no consistent ratio you can use to thin the paint. I seem to find that lighter colours in particular can be very thick, darker colours less so. I am curious what the situation is now for all these companies. I use Model Color for brush painting.
It seems that it becomes less durable, but I've little experience with Vallejo paints to make a judgment. The Model Air colours are manufactured with permanent fine arts I guess I should increase the ratio of retarder to fully get rid of the tip dry ? But I have "Mix" ready for the future. Some links even mention the use of Golden acrylic paint thinner. No one so far as I've read. I agree with rjkplasticmod. Is the result a soft or a hard paint surface? Try the mixture with the vallejo retarder and let me know what happens. Beware that the finish is somewhat glossy but its more resistance to scratches that just using thinner. Feel free to email me if you have any questions on airbrushing vallejo. Ammo and Vallejo paints have never been made in the same factory, as Acrylicos Vallejo doesn't make products for any other brand. All suggestions will be appreciated. I always thin my vallejo Model Color with 99% alcool when i dont need blending because it dry really fast. Then shake the hell out of the bottle. From the article I read, my understanding is that Ammo and Vallejo paints are made by a producer for them and their brand. I am curious if other modelers are noticing the same thing or not. Rick and Greasy, what alcohol did you try with Vallejo? It's simple (okay, hydrodynamics isn't that simple) physics. Im maybe just lucky. Seems pretty CLEAR to me that some of their paints are in fact alcohol-based and NOT water-soluble, although I'm guessing Colorima isn't used as extensively by scale modelers as the Model Color or Air lines of Vallejo. I just mix it with little Future and some drops of plain water. It helps lube the airbrush needle. I use the :Looks about right" rule when thinning Vallejo. It is by all accounts (I work in the arts sector) a state-of-the-art facility. The Vallejo website says you can use distilled watertheir instructions specify it. So I did some tests and found a mixture for airbrushing that is fantastic. Hi again, Just to let you know,I didn't get to read your complete answer at first as it got "cut off" on my computer screen. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Is there a preferred thinner? There are accelerants that can be added to some paints, but they often change the performance of the paint in less than desirable ways. If you have any questions, let me know. For airbrushing I use 50/60 mixture to 50/40 paint at 18 to 20psi.
Upload or insert images from URL. I found that Vallejo Model Air works best just as it comes out of the bottle for airbrushing. Clear editor. It's a common enough surname. Hi again, guys. As for Chris' suggestion to strain your paint: never put paint in an airbrush that hasn't been strained. Thanks. And if we want to speculate further, we can imagine that some of the recent non-paint products may be bought in, which would just make sound business sense. Online vendors that carry Vallejo paints usually have it. I think your issue might be that Vallejo products are formulated to work with each other. If you are new to airbrushing or returning after a gap why not read our Buyers Guide to Paintsto help you make the correct purchase. Again thanks for sharing the receipt, at least I can use my PS770 with acrylic paint now. I can't tell you how many times I have had to "rediscover" a thinner formula for a particular paint. I got the idea from Ship Models from Kits by David Griffith. Mig Jimenez was, as is stated on Ammo's website, involved in creating Mig Productions and AK Interactive before parting ways with AK to set up Ammo. I noticed in the summer I need a watery mixture to airbrush smoothly. dyes which are not water soluble. The newer modeling acrylics such as Vallejo, are based more water formulations. This gives the paint some 'toughness'. I got rid of them immediately the first time. I understand what you said, and it sounds like a great mixture, especially the part about adding the Future to add "hardness" to the paint. Vallejo Model Color - preparing for use with airbrush. I got rid of them immediately the first time. I sprayed on that white sheet for about 5 mins no issues at all. Do you use Vallejo's proprietary thinner in your mixture? If so, how much? Our Vallejo range are ideal for Scale Model Airbrushing and including Model Air Paints, Game Air Paints, Metal Colors, Model Wash, Weathering Effectsand Surface Primers. Acrylicos Vallejo has its own factory and it states that it does not sell products to be rebranded. The extremely The JVR Colors are highly pigmented and are suitable for a wide range of applications including General Art, Automotive and T-Shirt airbrushing. I mix 2 parts diatilled water: 1 part golden's airbrush medium (available at any art supply store such as Michaels or Hobby Lobby). As far as .18mm and .3mm.not sure what to say there. The concept of "drop" is subjective because that thing is thick. Shake well, shake some more, thenshake. I learned the hard way .
I love Vallejjo, but I have always had issues with the quality when airbrushing. Shaking is simply ineffective in a container that small if the viscosity is at all greater than water. A good top coat is a must! alcohol, and Colorima itself is classified as flammable due to its View our, Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. Thanks so much for your reply. I sprayed and sprayed the finest lines for a long time. Then shake the hell out of the bottle.
It helps lube the airbrush needle. From this container, I thin to the desires consistancy. Then WRITE IT DOWN!! Since the nozzle is larger I was actually expecting some improvements over the results with PS770, perhaps it has something to do with the design of cavity in the nozzle and how the airflow mixed with the paint within it.
I mainly use tap water with a drop of Liquetex flowaid and slow dry. I use an empty vallejo 17 ml bottle for this. It was just so frustrating. Thanks for the QUICK response. Cosolvents are just another tool in the box, like using an adjustable crescent wrench instead of one the exact size. I suggest you experiment and practice on some scrap before using it on a kit. I do spray both the game color and model color line from vallejo when I need a specific color, and generally have good success. compounds. Paint inks. Alternatively if you need advice in selecting the right airbrush paint to meet you needs, speak to one of our expert team, who will be more than happy to assist you. how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " (See Safety-Alcohol I believe all 3 companies are from Spain. There was also supposedly someone by the name of Vallejo who has or had something to do with AK but was by all accounts no relation to the founders of Acrylicos Vallejo. BH16 6LT, Harder & Steenbeck Needles, Nozzles and Air Caps, Harder & Steenbeck Professional Airbrush Kits. I've found that it does very quickly pick up a sheen from handling, so I wonder if that's what some people might consider "soft" Just did some quick and dirty compatibility testing, and the stuff is completely incompatible with either isopropyl or ethyl alcohol. I am told that the Russian hull in real life is virtually the same color as White Ensign Models Colourcoat paint line's US Navy Anti-Fouling Red. Yes, it is the really goopy vallejo retarder. Personally I haven't tried thinning Vallejo with water, but as indicated above I've heard it works fine. I hope that I am making sense. To this mix I add 1-2 drops of Future. And who said anything about using other brands' proprietary thinners with Vallejo paints??? If you distill the water, don't you eliminate eveything but the essential two H's and one O of each molecule of water that is supposed to make Poland Springs water special? After that mixture is made, about what ratio of this mixture to paint do you use?
Vallejo's site mentions on the Model Color page that some of their paints (Colorima line) are alcohol-based and not water-soluble. " THIS IS KEY! During winter here I noticed I didn't need as much thinner to paint. lightfast and waterproof, and can even be cleaned in a dishwasher. As soon as this happens, add the necessary amount of water and/or paint", Source: PAINTING FIGURES WITH MODEL COLOR Acrylicos Vallejo. (Please see
I think the small bottle I am using is the old sticky stuff. I had several modellers reach out to me regarding what that mixture is and how I get good results with Vallejo paints. You can post now and register later. Nothing worked at all, after 15 secs tip dry. I now completely understand your answer. painting, in colouring dried or artificial flowers and the tinting of I believe that you mention that you add a couple of drops of Future the 2 parts distilled water and the 1 part Golden's stuff . There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. Acryls in general, but especially Vallejo, will have little paint boogers that will either clog up your airbrush or ruin your finish. Bad advice for alcohol as thinner wrecks havoc using Vallejo paints. It has held up well during the subsequent painting process and on the finished subject. It was started in the 1970s, then started making Model Color in 1992 (according to its FAQ). Holton Heath Industrial Estate
"se distilled waterThey are 100% water solubleAs mentioned before, use only very clean water'dilution rate' and it will be noted as 'parts of paint' to 'parts of water' you may notice that paint will begin to dry on your palette. One more VERY important point. Your previous content has been restored. As is the case with other brands, usually it's recommended to use the brand's proprietary thinner. For this example, I added in 6 drops mixture to 5 drops paint. To participate you must either login or register for an account. After that, I HIGHLY recommend straining your paint.
It seems like the paint is not thinned enough (I usually have paint vs thinner at 1:0.5, with this receiptpaint vs thinner is roughly at 1:0.3). Working on a kit right now and I will do another article shortly. I agree about the cost, I got the large bottle of flow improver and have been using about half and half with thinner lately, but as soon as my next bottle is empty I'll make a batch like you say! Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. I mentioned that I had a fantastic thinner mixture to prevent tip dry. On 7/16/2020 at 5:35 PM, airmechaja said: On 7/8/2020 at 7:52 PM, FalconFan24 said: On 8/16/2020 at 7:54 PM, martin_sam_2000 said: General Discussion - NO POLITICS, My how to airbrush "Vallejo Model Air Color" instructional guide. Is there anything that can be added to make the surface harder. Now some friend have told me that they will produce a soft surface which MUST be covered with Future or have a hardener added to the paint and thinner. 4 oz is my guess. Our community is FREE to join. Wow, that's long-winded of me, but hope I have answered your questions. THIS IS KEY! Do I need to add a bit more thinner as well ? Vallejo has some good things going for it: very little to no smell, easily available, comes in sets you don't have to buy individual bottles ( i think they were the first major company to do this), and a fantastic range of colors. There is no such thing as a "paint hardener." As a clarification to my previous post, Vallejo's diluant is intended for their Model Air line of paints.With regard to these, their diluant is specifically recommended: "Formula: I recall Mig Jimenez mentioning in a video (at some point in the last year or two) that Ammo's factory had been expanded considerably. The purpose for testing was to determine whether or not an alcohol could be used as a cosolvent to modify coating performance. Your link has been automatically embedded. Here is my method. I'm spraying at 20psi. For this example, I added in 6 drops mixture to 5 drops paint.
But I am not sure. Using your alchemy, they spray wonderfully through my H&S with a 0.15 needle. The other day, I posted on Plane Trading my entire Vallejo paint lot for sale as I am moving across the county. since these give a harder brilliance than the waterbased metallics. fine milling of the pigments provides the model painter with the I just did 10 drops as small as possible because it's so goopy - works fine.
I get great results from my airbrush .2mm and .4mm. I find Mig's thinner to be more expensive. Does the drying time of the paint vary? product conserves the properties of the colours.". The Spraygun Company Ltd FalconFan24, There is a different airbrush retarder from the premium line, is there any difference with the old sticky retarder medium ? Do some test sprays on something you don't care about, and tinker with your thinning ratios and air pressure until you find what works best with your airbrush setup. Further reading points out that Tamiya and other alcohol-based acrylics are based on older types of paint formulations.
It seems that it becomes less durable, but I've little experience with Vallejo paints to make a judgment. The Model Air colours are manufactured with permanent fine arts I guess I should increase the ratio of retarder to fully get rid of the tip dry ? But I have "Mix" ready for the future. Some links even mention the use of Golden acrylic paint thinner. No one so far as I've read. I agree with rjkplasticmod. Is the result a soft or a hard paint surface? Try the mixture with the vallejo retarder and let me know what happens. Beware that the finish is somewhat glossy but its more resistance to scratches that just using thinner. Feel free to email me if you have any questions on airbrushing vallejo. Ammo and Vallejo paints have never been made in the same factory, as Acrylicos Vallejo doesn't make products for any other brand. All suggestions will be appreciated. I always thin my vallejo Model Color with 99% alcool when i dont need blending because it dry really fast. Then shake the hell out of the bottle. From the article I read, my understanding is that Ammo and Vallejo paints are made by a producer for them and their brand. I am curious if other modelers are noticing the same thing or not. Rick and Greasy, what alcohol did you try with Vallejo? It's simple (okay, hydrodynamics isn't that simple) physics. Im maybe just lucky. Seems pretty CLEAR to me that some of their paints are in fact alcohol-based and NOT water-soluble, although I'm guessing Colorima isn't used as extensively by scale modelers as the Model Color or Air lines of Vallejo. I just mix it with little Future and some drops of plain water. It helps lube the airbrush needle. I use the :Looks about right" rule when thinning Vallejo. It is by all accounts (I work in the arts sector) a state-of-the-art facility. The Vallejo website says you can use distilled watertheir instructions specify it. So I did some tests and found a mixture for airbrushing that is fantastic. Hi again, Just to let you know,I didn't get to read your complete answer at first as it got "cut off" on my computer screen. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Is there a preferred thinner? There are accelerants that can be added to some paints, but they often change the performance of the paint in less than desirable ways. If you have any questions, let me know. For airbrushing I use 50/60 mixture to 50/40 paint at 18 to 20psi.
Upload or insert images from URL. I found that Vallejo Model Air works best just as it comes out of the bottle for airbrushing. Clear editor. It's a common enough surname. Hi again, guys. As for Chris' suggestion to strain your paint: never put paint in an airbrush that hasn't been strained. Thanks. And if we want to speculate further, we can imagine that some of the recent non-paint products may be bought in, which would just make sound business sense. Online vendors that carry Vallejo paints usually have it. I think your issue might be that Vallejo products are formulated to work with each other. If you are new to airbrushing or returning after a gap why not read our Buyers Guide to Paintsto help you make the correct purchase. Again thanks for sharing the receipt, at least I can use my PS770 with acrylic paint now. I can't tell you how many times I have had to "rediscover" a thinner formula for a particular paint. I got the idea from Ship Models from Kits by David Griffith. Mig Jimenez was, as is stated on Ammo's website, involved in creating Mig Productions and AK Interactive before parting ways with AK to set up Ammo. I noticed in the summer I need a watery mixture to airbrush smoothly. dyes which are not water soluble. The newer modeling acrylics such as Vallejo, are based more water formulations. This gives the paint some 'toughness'. I got rid of them immediately the first time. I understand what you said, and it sounds like a great mixture, especially the part about adding the Future to add "hardness" to the paint. Vallejo Model Color - preparing for use with airbrush. I got rid of them immediately the first time. I sprayed on that white sheet for about 5 mins no issues at all. Do you use Vallejo's proprietary thinner in your mixture? If so, how much? Our Vallejo range are ideal for Scale Model Airbrushing and including Model Air Paints, Game Air Paints, Metal Colors, Model Wash, Weathering Effectsand Surface Primers. Acrylicos Vallejo has its own factory and it states that it does not sell products to be rebranded. The extremely The JVR Colors are highly pigmented and are suitable for a wide range of applications including General Art, Automotive and T-Shirt airbrushing. I mix 2 parts diatilled water: 1 part golden's airbrush medium (available at any art supply store such as Michaels or Hobby Lobby). As far as .18mm and .3mm.not sure what to say there. The concept of "drop" is subjective because that thing is thick. Shake well, shake some more, thenshake. I learned the hard way .
I love Vallejjo, but I have always had issues with the quality when airbrushing. Shaking is simply ineffective in a container that small if the viscosity is at all greater than water. A good top coat is a must! alcohol, and Colorima itself is classified as flammable due to its View our, Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. Thanks so much for your reply. I sprayed and sprayed the finest lines for a long time. Then shake the hell out of the bottle.
It helps lube the airbrush needle. From this container, I thin to the desires consistancy. Then WRITE IT DOWN!! Since the nozzle is larger I was actually expecting some improvements over the results with PS770, perhaps it has something to do with the design of cavity in the nozzle and how the airflow mixed with the paint within it.
I mainly use tap water with a drop of Liquetex flowaid and slow dry. I use an empty vallejo 17 ml bottle for this. It was just so frustrating. Thanks for the QUICK response. Cosolvents are just another tool in the box, like using an adjustable crescent wrench instead of one the exact size. I suggest you experiment and practice on some scrap before using it on a kit. I do spray both the game color and model color line from vallejo when I need a specific color, and generally have good success. compounds. Paint inks. Alternatively if you need advice in selecting the right airbrush paint to meet you needs, speak to one of our expert team, who will be more than happy to assist you. how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " (See Safety-Alcohol I believe all 3 companies are from Spain. There was also supposedly someone by the name of Vallejo who has or had something to do with AK but was by all accounts no relation to the founders of Acrylicos Vallejo. BH16 6LT, Harder & Steenbeck Needles, Nozzles and Air Caps, Harder & Steenbeck Professional Airbrush Kits. I've found that it does very quickly pick up a sheen from handling, so I wonder if that's what some people might consider "soft" Just did some quick and dirty compatibility testing, and the stuff is completely incompatible with either isopropyl or ethyl alcohol. I am told that the Russian hull in real life is virtually the same color as White Ensign Models Colourcoat paint line's US Navy Anti-Fouling Red. Yes, it is the really goopy vallejo retarder. Personally I haven't tried thinning Vallejo with water, but as indicated above I've heard it works fine. I hope that I am making sense. To this mix I add 1-2 drops of Future. And who said anything about using other brands' proprietary thinners with Vallejo paints??? If you distill the water, don't you eliminate eveything but the essential two H's and one O of each molecule of water that is supposed to make Poland Springs water special? After that mixture is made, about what ratio of this mixture to paint do you use?
Vallejo's site mentions on the Model Color page that some of their paints (Colorima line) are alcohol-based and not water-soluble. " THIS IS KEY! During winter here I noticed I didn't need as much thinner to paint. lightfast and waterproof, and can even be cleaned in a dishwasher. As soon as this happens, add the necessary amount of water and/or paint", Source: PAINTING FIGURES WITH MODEL COLOR Acrylicos Vallejo. (Please see
I think the small bottle I am using is the old sticky stuff. I had several modellers reach out to me regarding what that mixture is and how I get good results with Vallejo paints. You can post now and register later. Nothing worked at all, after 15 secs tip dry. I now completely understand your answer. painting, in colouring dried or artificial flowers and the tinting of I believe that you mention that you add a couple of drops of Future the 2 parts distilled water and the 1 part Golden's stuff . There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. Acryls in general, but especially Vallejo, will have little paint boogers that will either clog up your airbrush or ruin your finish. Bad advice for alcohol as thinner wrecks havoc using Vallejo paints. It has held up well during the subsequent painting process and on the finished subject. It was started in the 1970s, then started making Model Color in 1992 (according to its FAQ). Holton Heath Industrial Estate
"se distilled waterThey are 100% water solubleAs mentioned before, use only very clean water'dilution rate' and it will be noted as 'parts of paint' to 'parts of water' you may notice that paint will begin to dry on your palette. One more VERY important point. Your previous content has been restored. As is the case with other brands, usually it's recommended to use the brand's proprietary thinner. For this example, I added in 6 drops mixture to 5 drops paint. To participate you must either login or register for an account. After that, I HIGHLY recommend straining your paint.
It seems like the paint is not thinned enough (I usually have paint vs thinner at 1:0.5, with this receiptpaint vs thinner is roughly at 1:0.3). Working on a kit right now and I will do another article shortly. I agree about the cost, I got the large bottle of flow improver and have been using about half and half with thinner lately, but as soon as my next bottle is empty I'll make a batch like you say! Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. I mentioned that I had a fantastic thinner mixture to prevent tip dry. On 7/16/2020 at 5:35 PM, airmechaja said: On 7/8/2020 at 7:52 PM, FalconFan24 said: On 8/16/2020 at 7:54 PM, martin_sam_2000 said: General Discussion - NO POLITICS, My how to airbrush "Vallejo Model Air Color" instructional guide. Is there anything that can be added to make the surface harder. Now some friend have told me that they will produce a soft surface which MUST be covered with Future or have a hardener added to the paint and thinner. 4 oz is my guess. Our community is FREE to join. Wow, that's long-winded of me, but hope I have answered your questions. THIS IS KEY! Do I need to add a bit more thinner as well ? Vallejo has some good things going for it: very little to no smell, easily available, comes in sets you don't have to buy individual bottles ( i think they were the first major company to do this), and a fantastic range of colors. There is no such thing as a "paint hardener." As a clarification to my previous post, Vallejo's diluant is intended for their Model Air line of paints.With regard to these, their diluant is specifically recommended: "Formula: I recall Mig Jimenez mentioning in a video (at some point in the last year or two) that Ammo's factory had been expanded considerably. The purpose for testing was to determine whether or not an alcohol could be used as a cosolvent to modify coating performance. Your link has been automatically embedded. Here is my method. I'm spraying at 20psi. For this example, I added in 6 drops mixture to 5 drops paint.
But I am not sure. Using your alchemy, they spray wonderfully through my H&S with a 0.15 needle. The other day, I posted on Plane Trading my entire Vallejo paint lot for sale as I am moving across the county. since these give a harder brilliance than the waterbased metallics. fine milling of the pigments provides the model painter with the I just did 10 drops as small as possible because it's so goopy - works fine.
I get great results from my airbrush .2mm and .4mm. I find Mig's thinner to be more expensive. Does the drying time of the paint vary? product conserves the properties of the colours.". The Spraygun Company Ltd FalconFan24, There is a different airbrush retarder from the premium line, is there any difference with the old sticky retarder medium ? Do some test sprays on something you don't care about, and tinker with your thinning ratios and air pressure until you find what works best with your airbrush setup. Further reading points out that Tamiya and other alcohol-based acrylics are based on older types of paint formulations.